If you remember your Pinocchio (The Adventures of Pinocchio by Carlo Collodi) one of his episodes takes place in the city of Catchfools when Pinocchio is briefly imprisoned for being so foolish as to be gypped out of his gold coins by the Fox and the Cat. The long and short of it is that Pinocchio was persuaded to bury his coins in the "Field of Miracles" where they would spout roots and grow like a tree thus multiplying. When Pinocchio returns to the field to get his coins and all the new ones he finds out that not only didn't they multiply but they were stolen. He goes to the city and tells his tale and is tossed in prison for being so dumb.
One might think that this mystical city is actually Madison, Wisconsin for they indeed had a Governor in residence there who, like Pinocchio, was a puppet of sorts and appears to actually believe what the foxes and cats are telling him about gold. In turn, this Governor Pinocchio is repeating the tall tales back to the rest of us - and the miracle is that he hasn't been tossed in prison for being so dumb and gullible. At the very least his nose should be growing.
Let's just get a few of the silliness issues out in the open. First is this public employee pension business. The pension fund isn't "matched" by the State of Wisconsin. It is funded by the employee contributions. Now, after 9 years of virtually non-existent interest rates on government bonds - the triple A stuff that pensions invest in - it is still healthy and easily able to meet its obligations for decades to come. The fund isn't in crisis and sure employees can pay more into it but all one is doing is asking them to pay more but it saves the State no money to do so.
A second huge lie is that public workers in Wisconsin make more in wages than their counterparts in the private sector. Actually not. Not even close. Wisconsin ranks 19th in private sector per capita income and 28th in public sector per capita income. That isn't apples and oranges. That is sour grapes and gold buried in Pinocchio's Field of Miracles.
The last silly of sillies - and only one of many remaining but one I really like for its originality - wraps itself up in the notion that Wisconsin taxpayers are paying for some sort of vicious cycle of democrats, through these unions, are taking their tax dollars in the form of political contributions. How it works is that taxpayers are alleged to pay the union members dues which in turn go to political contributions that result in sweetheart deals with democratic officials and these unions - they keep making more money and getting more contributions that all go to democrats. Got it? Have you heard that before?
One might think that this mystical city is actually Madison, Wisconsin for they indeed had a Governor in residence there who, like Pinocchio, was a puppet of sorts and appears to actually believe what the foxes and cats are telling him about gold. In turn, this Governor Pinocchio is repeating the tall tales back to the rest of us - and the miracle is that he hasn't been tossed in prison for being so dumb and gullible. At the very least his nose should be growing.
Let's just get a few of the silliness issues out in the open. First is this public employee pension business. The pension fund isn't "matched" by the State of Wisconsin. It is funded by the employee contributions. Now, after 9 years of virtually non-existent interest rates on government bonds - the triple A stuff that pensions invest in - it is still healthy and easily able to meet its obligations for decades to come. The fund isn't in crisis and sure employees can pay more into it but all one is doing is asking them to pay more but it saves the State no money to do so.
A second huge lie is that public workers in Wisconsin make more in wages than their counterparts in the private sector. Actually not. Not even close. Wisconsin ranks 19th in private sector per capita income and 28th in public sector per capita income. That isn't apples and oranges. That is sour grapes and gold buried in Pinocchio's Field of Miracles.
The last silly of sillies - and only one of many remaining but one I really like for its originality - wraps itself up in the notion that Wisconsin taxpayers are paying for some sort of vicious cycle of democrats, through these unions, are taking their tax dollars in the form of political contributions. How it works is that taxpayers are alleged to pay the union members dues which in turn go to political contributions that result in sweetheart deals with democratic officials and these unions - they keep making more money and getting more contributions that all go to democrats. Got it? Have you heard that before?
Governor Pinocchio Walker was really fond of this chapter in the Adventures of Pinocchio because it gave him a chance to break the cycle that is purely a straw dog. Ohhhhh his nose must be on some sort of political Viagra with this whopper. Governor Pinocchio Walker forgot to tell you that union dues are paid by the workers who, incidentally are also taxpayers, and it comes out of their salary and not out of the state budget. Oooops. Little detail there. When the taxpayers pay for state services - like driver's licenses, trash pickup, state parks, plowing roads in winter; all those things that make life livable in the city of the Catchfools, the people who perform these services are paid a salary. From that salary the workers contribute to the union and to their pension system. They also pay taxes that help pay their salaries (name another job where you, as a worker, contribute money back into the company to help pay you???? - good point there huh). I suspect Governor Pinocchio Walker believes that money given the employees of the city of Catchfools isn't really theirs because it came from taxpayers. This salary still belongs to them and the workers aren't free to do what they want with it. That is the logic of the Fox and the Cat.
Look here folks. Governor Pinocchio Walker Geppetto carved this little dummy out of a block of rotten wood and it has now sprung to life. Instead of being a mis-adventure in the land of silly and make believe, the long nosed puppet now has become something of Chuckie the Monster Doll and should scare the heck out of all the boys and girls in Catchfools. This blockhead (see how apt the imagery is!) has now turned vicious and is no longer a children's bedtime story of political foolishness in the land of mis-adventure. This fable is real.
A SHEPHERD-BOY, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the villagers three or four times by crying out, 'Wolf! Wolf!' and when his neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains. The Wolf, however, did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an agony of terror: 'Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep'; but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance. The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole flock.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
I hope you sent this to the WI newspapers.
ReplyDeletegood idea. thank you
ReplyDelete"Private sector unions fight with management over an equitable distribution of profits. Government unions negotiate with politicians over taxpayer money, putting the public interest at odds with union interests."
ReplyDeleteAnd with the light of day on these snakes, this too shall pass!
hmmmm union members are ALSO public interest persons. what don't you get about that?
ReplyDeleteWhat you fail to mention is that your state is not a "right to work" state, i.e. If I have a jobwhere a Union is represented I MUST join that Union and I MUST pay dues.
ReplyDeleteHere in Texas we have a CHOICE of whether to join or a Union or not and CHOICE of whether to pay dues or not. Down here, we call that Freedom.
Well Tex (read comment above) right to work state workers earn about 85% of what union states pay their workers. you can be free all you want but that doesn't mean you aren't dumb.
ReplyDeleteHarold,
ReplyDeleteI read your clever fable and looked closely for any kind of citations or references, or even numbers to back up your assertions. Finding none, I checked your bio to find out where you got your extensive knowledge of economics and politics. Again, I found nothing. So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just a series of unsupported arguments from an unqualified source? Cleverly written, yes, but that doesn't really cut it when we're talking about public policy, don't you agree? I think you're more cut out for writing music or fiction, or even advertising, where cleverness counts a lot and you don't really have to know anything and aren't beholden to any truths.
can you be more specific? also to distinguish you from the pack, do you have a name?
ReplyDeletei've got a real good grasp of politics sir, particularly elementary ones and as to economics, I can spot a red herring with the best of them.
your point is?
I agree with the author. If the facts are arcane and hidden deep in research then cites are appropriate and necessary. If facts are out there for all the world to see and 2 seconds away, then they don't need them.
ReplyDeleteone can cite the source noting that the world is round but is it necessary?
Lets take it point by point:
ReplyDelete1. Your first point "The pension fund isn't "matched" by the State of Wisconsin. It is funded by the employee contributions."
The state does not match the pension, they dont need to becuase they are obligated to pay the pension for these public employees. And where are the state gettingtheir money from - it is from taxes.
2. A second huge lie is that public workers in Wisconsin make more in wages than their counterparts in the private sector. Actually not.
Yes, I agree that public workers 'paycheck' is on average less than private workers. Everybody knows that. We are talking about "gross" pay that includes benefit. The gross pay for public workers is way more than private workers.
3. And you "The last silly of sillies".
Actually, this is your dumbest argument. We all know that union workers pay their union dues from their salary. What we are talking about is the "gross" pay that the public workers are getting from governement. Who is paying for that? - it is the tax payers. Ofcourse, you will say that union workers are also tax payers but keep in mind that tax paid by non-union members is much more than tax paid by union members. Thus, it is of much more benefit for union workers to negotiate higher taxes for higher gross unions workers pay.
-Sri
My name is Mike.
ReplyDeleteI assume when you ask for specifics, you mean which of your arguments are not supported by facts. The answer is: all of them.
How do you conclude that the pension "is easily able to meet its obligations for decades to come"? That's never an easy question, as even a sophmore majoring in finance can tell you that pension adequacy is dependent on a wide range of variables including lifespan, return on investment, and inflation, all unknowns.
How do you conclude that "it saves the state no money" if the employees pay more into their pension system? That makes no sense to me at all; what becomes of the money they pay in?
How do you conclude that "A second lie it that public workers in Wisconsin make more in wages than their counterparts in the private sector"? I have seen analysis that show that they do, by a sizable amount when the value of benefits is included. You give us percentages that can't be compared, since they're based on different denominators (the bottom number in the fraction). That's called blowing smoke. Why not just give us the actual numbers? Maybe because it's kind of complicated: What is the value of their pension promises? What is the value of their union-provided health care plan? What is the value of their tenure and job security? Not nearly as simple as writing a fable, is it?
I can ask similar questions about every assertion you make, since you provide no supporting detail for any of it.
Your analysis is adequate for your readers, and for those that can't handle anything more complex than a 60-second sound bite, but we can't make policy based on these shallow assertions, can we? That would be like leaving the state in the hands of the democrats!
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ReplyDelete"...but keep in mind that tax paid by non-union members is much more than tax paid by union members."
Really? there is a separate tax code for public workers in Wisconsin? I didn't know that...so there are two distinct classes of taxpayer...and that is legal how?...
Amazing the lengths some folks will go to in support of the unsupportable.
and to those two who challenged the thread, hey its up to you to show proof...mostly I get agreement and "yeah but.." arguments.
Harold, This is Mike again. Your argument above is called a 'strawman.' His argument is that taxes in total paid by non-(public)union members is much more that the total paid by union members. That's pretty obvious, but you choose to take the obviouslt wrong view and then generalize your foolish take on his statement and apply it to all that you disagree with. That's pretty weak, Harold.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, there are separate tax codes for many distinct classes of taxpayers in the US, it's called the progressive tax system and the alternative minimum tax. That's why about 50% of low-wage earners don't pay any federal taxes at all, and the top 5% of earners pay more than 25% of the total.
Otherwise, you chose a good time to punt. You clearly were unable to advance the ball.
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Mike
Advance what ball. You've offered nothing to refute ... if you want to advance the ball please remember it is in your court.
ReplyDeleteI don't know the writer of this blog. I do know this: Nobody disagreeing with him has posted any factual statistics or done anything besides blow a bunch of smoke themselves.
ReplyDeleteAnd Mike has a problem leaving the state in the hands of the Democrats. Jim Doyle left a surplus. Who is the only US President to run a surplus in the last 30 years? Clinton. A Democrat.
If I were a fiscal conservative, I would not be taking chances with Republicans.